tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post8075033240598874274..comments2024-03-24T05:42:24.847-05:00Comments on Taking Wing: There But For the Grace of God...Sam Weigelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-35666900044881633232007-05-22T00:57:00.000-05:002007-05-22T00:57:00.000-05:00I know just what you mean about lack of visual cue...I know just what you mean about lack of visual cues in fog... i was driving once in fog and/or bishfire smoke (quite rare here for fog), thinking I was going slowly... looked at my speedo and was doing 70kph...! After that i was checking every few seconds but that is really a "high stress" environment! Meanwhile, idiots were passing me at I'd say over 100kph!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-20902486902173486262007-05-17T11:49:00.000-05:002007-05-17T11:49:00.000-05:00Joel - In good weather we could easily get it stop...Joel - In good weather we could easily get it stopped by J, but we tend to roll out to M, or sometimes N if we're parking on the south side of our ramp. <BR/><BR/>Anonymous- Yeah, it did not meet the NTSB 830 definition of accident. I think the damage to the airplane made it come close to an accident, but in the end the FAA & company decided to treat it as an incident.Sam Weigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-54349948779162321932007-05-16T16:32:00.000-05:002007-05-16T16:32:00.000-05:00Sam,Any thoughts on why this incident is not in th...Sam,<BR/><BR/>Any thoughts on why this incident is not in the NTSB database?<BR/><BR/>DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-71001682304469978142007-05-15T20:30:00.000-05:002007-05-15T20:30:00.000-05:00Interesting...In nice weather do you usually exit ...Interesting...<BR/><BR/>In nice weather do you usually exit on J? Do you try to exit on M or N so you end up right next to the terminal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-6266582066951789072007-05-15T12:09:00.000-05:002007-05-15T12:09:00.000-05:00Complex systems, by definition, are difficult to m...Complex systems, by definition, are difficult to manage. Technology can help, but as you said, Sam, ultimate responsibility lies in the box between the captain's ears.<BR/><BR/>System (and to a lesser extent, human) failure has always been a tremendous tool to inform us, but I wonder, apart from the cogent solutions you've pointed out, what else, tangibly, can be done to mitigate these kinds of situations? Perhaps a sort of "no pressure, pilots, take your time." ATIS-type announcement? :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14147714446076460699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-62088862672541774712007-05-15T10:31:00.000-05:002007-05-15T10:31:00.000-05:00Yeah, they're both still here, they had to do some...Yeah, they're both still here, they had to do some remedial training. The things I discussed were likely mitigating factors in the way the company and the FAA dealt with them. I don't know the FO, but I do know the CA and have flown with him several times. He's a good captain.<BR/><BR/>I won't say they *won't* be able to get a job elsewhere, but this definately makes it harder. There would definately be a discussion about it during any interview.Sam Weigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-59122455649220015622007-05-15T00:37:00.000-05:002007-05-15T00:37:00.000-05:00Oops. I just remembered that the captain was in y...Oops. I just remembered that the captain was in your recent class. Nevermind. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-2873332682938137432007-05-15T00:35:00.000-05:002007-05-15T00:35:00.000-05:00Were the pilots terminated by the airline, or do t...Were the pilots terminated by the airline, or do they still work there? <BR/><BR/>Do you think they'd ever be able to get a job elsewhere?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com