tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post7047293010962369994..comments2024-03-24T05:42:24.847-05:00Comments on Taking Wing: High & HotSam Weigelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-50337266931097088732009-03-26T09:41:00.000-05:002009-03-26T09:41:00.000-05:00Will, I've seen other approaches to Tegucigalp...Will, I've seen other approaches to Tegucigalpa on youtube, but nothing that crazy! Looked like he was still fairly fast when he lurched over the tiller to make the last exit. <BR/><BR/>Anon- "Not to mention that being on a crossing runway with crossing traffic, ATC is judging your separation with 27R traffic and being high and fast messes with that."<BR/><BR/>Actually separation with 27R was the reason they gave us 190 kts till final in the first place. They were trying to make us beat out a USAir who was fairly close in. <BR/><BR/>jbinaz - nothing to add to what the others said about the speed tape, except that its use is kinda an ongoing joke at the airlines. Whenever an airplane gets bent up pretty good - say, a catering truck punches a whole in a fuselage - someone inevitably chimes in with "Eh, throw some speedtape on 'er and she'll be fine!"<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 2:13-- funny, that's how I made my first go-around in the JB, on 12L at MSP sometime last year. Approach gave us a really ugly vector that put us like 1.5 miles behind an Airbus, S-turn didn't help enough, he wasn't gonna clear the runway - so around we went!<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 10:18 - hah yeah a slip prolly isn't a good idea in a jet. We threw down the landing gear right after we were cleared for the approach...I do think if we had already been at Gear Down & Flaps 5 when cleared, it mighta been doable, but that woulda required cheating on the speed restriction to get below 180 knots. <BR/><BR/>Fred- Thanks, I needed someone to motivate me to post! Done :-).Sam Weigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-54656197346157561102009-03-26T00:19:00.000-05:002009-03-26T00:19:00.000-05:00Sam, as usual, nicely written.I understand you're ...Sam, as usual, nicely written.<BR/>I understand you're quite the busy guy, but damnit, write some more! :-)<BR/><BR/>I find it interesting that the previous post's title was with respect to this one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14147714446076460699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-80791471867356360772009-03-23T15:01:00.000-05:002009-03-23T15:01:00.000-05:00Jet engines dont like sideways air so much. But th...Jet engines dont like sideways air so much. But the gear is rather effective at 250 KIAS (upper limit)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-73272114164878859172009-03-23T12:28:00.000-05:002009-03-23T12:28:00.000-05:00I presume that doing a forward slip wasn't an opti...I presume that doing a forward slip wasn't an option? That is probably at the top of the no-no list.<BR/><BR/>Drop the landing gear wayyyyy out there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-65478088837032114752009-03-20T08:17:00.000-05:002009-03-20T08:17:00.000-05:00Welcome to 35 visuals at PHL...may as well have gi...Welcome to 35 visuals at PHL...may as well have given you a "190 to 5 mile final, traffic you're *following* is a heavy airbus over the bridge"...there's a lot to be said for those enormous 13 foot speed brakes on the Dash though, don't you miss "Condition Levers...MAX" sometimes? ;)<BR/><BR/>Like you said, 35 in the Dash is all day every day for us, but now that it's been extended PHL is becoming even more of a cluster with the mixed bag going there. Thanks Southwest!<BR/><BR/>Nice job, and don't berate yourself too much. You're not at a certain airline where "go around is NOT an option!"Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377311184886050157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-90694760208614586632009-03-19T16:13:00.000-05:002009-03-19T16:13:00.000-05:00someone else in Neco. had an ugly go-around the ot...someone else in Neco. had an ugly go-around the other day at msp. an s-turn on finial (12l) turned ugly and someone made the good call to knock off the approach. worked out in the end, just another lap. safety first please.<BR/><BR/>ltAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-85762812347461465322009-03-19T14:56:00.000-05:002009-03-19T14:56:00.000-05:00That's an honorable and heroic thing you did, Sam....That's an honorable and heroic thing you did, Sam. I said it your last post and I'll say it again; it takes a lot of guts (maturity, discipline, and honor) to make a decision like that. You restore honor to the pilot community that often others chip away. Unlike the media and public, I don't believe in waiting until an accident (like Cactus 1549) occurs to recognize excellent airmanship. Good job.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10623579026271657033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-79448634398350595822009-03-19T08:07:00.000-05:002009-03-19T08:07:00.000-05:00this is very informative... LOL hear from you agai...this is very informative... LOL hear from you again<BR/> <A HREF="http://www.aircraftb.com" REL="nofollow">Aviation Suppliers Directory</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-51479754866918899662009-03-18T22:33:00.000-05:002009-03-18T22:33:00.000-05:00The silver tape on the CRJ is something we call sp...The silver tape on the CRJ is something we call speed tape. Imagine its a rather thick piece of aluminum foil (and very sharp, indeed) with industrial strength adhesive on the back of it. <BR/><BR/>It is never used to "hold something together" like you would use tape to hold a box together and I assure you that the winglet is not being "held on by duct tape". <BR/><BR/>This special tape is used to cover any damage and/or missing items (that are allowed to be missing per the minimum equipment list, a FAA approved document specific to the aircraft which documents allowable discrepancies and appropriate corrective action to facilitate safe flight) and to preserve the aerodynamic characteristics of the part of the aircraft that it is applied to.<BR/><BR/>Im speculating, but in this case, probably there is some damage to the fiberglass of the winglet, or possibly a relatively deep scratch. The damage gets measured by maintenance, faxed with multiple photographs to the Bombardier engineers in Montreal who built the plane (a CRJ in this case) and they run it through some analysis to determine if the aircraft is still capable of safe flight despite the damage. <BR/><BR/>The tape is likely applied just to ensure that airflow over the damaged area is nice and smooth.<BR/><BR/>The engineering authorization is affectionately referred to as a "fly-by" which always a set limit of how many cycles, flight hours, or time is allowed until the damage must be reinspected and/or repaired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-23874371255450716302009-03-18T18:02:00.000-05:002009-03-18T18:02:00.000-05:00Sam,It's very, very interesting to read your elect...Sam,<BR/><BR/>It's very, very interesting to read your electronic diary of your flying career. I just recently found your blog through a friend, and I must say, this is what I've been looking for for some time.<BR/><BR/>If you read my blog, you'll see that I'm a freshman at Embry-Riddle in Daytona Beach and that my major is Aeronautical Science, of course. I'm sure I'm where you were some years ago and I plan on following in your shoes. It's undeniably valuable for me to get some real insight on the industry through your posts, and I really appreciate it!<BR/><BR/>Keep up the updates and I'll keep on faithfully reading!<BR/><BR/>Kyle BilbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-80098199425796393122009-03-18T11:07:00.000-05:002009-03-18T11:07:00.000-05:00jbinaz: yeah, it's basically duct tape, but it's a...jbinaz: yeah, it's basically duct tape, but it's a special kind designed for putting on the sides of airplanes to temporarily plug holes and the like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-64454303642177811272009-03-17T23:18:00.000-05:002009-03-17T23:18:00.000-05:00Sam,You fly a regional jet, right? I was on a fli...Sam,<BR/><BR/>You fly a regional jet, right? I was on a flight today (not your airline, bet ya' can't guess which one - see the link :)) Can you tell me if this is really duct tape in the area where the wing meets the winglet? If not, any idea of what it might be?<BR/><BR/>http://twitpic.com/27g8z<BR/><BR/>JeffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-63798333245412534792009-03-17T13:15:00.000-05:002009-03-17T13:15:00.000-05:00Yes, it is a slippery plane.. Great post and good ...Yes, it is a slippery plane.. Great post and good decision making on your part!Ryan O'Harrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05662902100182810430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-38660094359155911222009-03-16T19:51:00.000-05:002009-03-16T19:51:00.000-05:00Good job Sam.Good job Sam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-42248814643952744242009-03-16T17:49:00.000-05:002009-03-16T17:49:00.000-05:00As a pilot I appreciate your candor and your exper...As a pilot I appreciate your candor and your expertise at both flying the airplane and telling your stories.<BR/><BR/>As a passenger I appreciate your expertise and decision making... ok decision correction(?) :) skills.<BR/><BR/>As a pilot I'm reminded of my flight instructor who was fond of saying, "The FAA will never ask you why you did a go around... they'll pretty much always ask why you didn't."<BR/><BR/>As a passenger I think it's fantastic that you unscrewed the situation and every one of your pax had a great day afterwards. Every life counts... especially mine. :)jinkstohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645519830822645928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-68643122904429088582009-03-16T15:59:00.000-05:002009-03-16T15:59:00.000-05:00Will and John, judging by the rubber on the paveme...Will and John, judging by the rubber on the pavement, there has hardly been anyone to touch down as late as these guys have. Will, you are right, there may also have been marks of some other kind on a cotton runway...<BR/><BR/>Sam, thanks for the great post, as always!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-39228964221755611942009-03-16T13:06:00.000-05:002009-03-16T13:06:00.000-05:00Not to mention that being on a crossing runway wit...Not to mention that being on a crossing runway with crossing traffic, ATC is judging your separation with 27R traffic and being high and fast messes with that. <BR/><BR/>As goofed up as it (wasnt, really) you could have been made really busy by being cleared for an immediate right traffic 26. Thats always a lot of fun to pull off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-35759624752208517282009-03-16T13:00:00.000-05:002009-03-16T13:00:00.000-05:00As always, a great post and another reason I'd be ...As always, a great post and another reason I'd be glad to have you as my pilot any day. Your decision making is outstanding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-88539536026798578572009-03-16T12:33:00.000-05:002009-03-16T12:33:00.000-05:00Yeah, I think the approach itself was "normal." (W...Yeah, I think the approach itself was "normal." (Well, as normal as the approach into that airport can ever be.)<BR/><BR/>I was thinking more about landing waaay long and nearly an overrun.<BR/><BR/>It did look like they lost energy in the turn to final, added a gob of power then wound up with too much energy at the end and instead of going around stayed with it, landed out of the touchdown zone and left brown spots in their trousers. :-)Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17239871779843577695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-11260828708131385872009-03-16T11:35:00.000-05:002009-03-16T11:35:00.000-05:00Hey Will,I think that video of that approach is ju...Hey Will,<BR/><BR/>I think that video of that approach is just the way that approach is done. Seems like there are a few videos of planes approaching that airport that I have seen. Idk, maybe I'm wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-6433102645851207132009-03-16T11:23:00.000-05:002009-03-16T11:23:00.000-05:00Good for you. Way to make the right decision. He...Good for you. Way to make the right decision. Hey Sam, your from the Portland Area. You should check out my blog. A little career journal I started to log my journey to becoming a Professional Pilot. Would love your comments as I go through this roller coaster as well as your readers.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-73498773792523112552009-03-16T11:19:00.000-05:002009-03-16T11:19:00.000-05:00Nice job. Sounds like you made the decision this g...Nice job. Sounds like you made the decision <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjImGftq_5s" REL="nofollow">this guy </A> should have.<BR/><BR/>I had to do a go-around (two, actually) as part of my six-month PC on Friday. Hadn't done one since my last check so it was interesting to say the least. <BR/><BR/>Funny how stuff you used to do all the time as a student/instructor gets so rusty because it almost never happens in real world operations.<BR/><BR/>Good learning experience for all, thanks for posting it!Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17239871779843577695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-77639033023688949402009-03-16T10:07:00.000-05:002009-03-16T10:07:00.000-05:00You didn't say "there was a chicken on the runway"...You didn't say "there was a chicken on the runway"? That is going to be in my head FOREVER, after a boss told me to always tell the passengers that.<BR/><BR/>Very well written post with a lot more beneath the surface.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-21390853556677431782009-03-16T01:04:00.000-05:002009-03-16T01:04:00.000-05:00Was this a little over a week ago? If I'm looking...Was this a little over a week ago? If I'm looking at the right date on Flight Aware, you can see an interesting little double box pattern, haha. :-)<BR/><BR/>Smart decision though, even against that strong urge to continue. 2009 has had enough aviation incidents already... :-/<BR/><BR/>As always, keep up the greats posts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-70147276298358480632009-03-16T00:38:00.000-05:002009-03-16T00:38:00.000-05:00I flew one of these into Moline yesterday. Had to ...I flew one of these into Moline yesterday. Had to pull out the bag of tricks, but we had [just] enough space to get stabilized on glideslope and configured at 500. I hate cutting it close like that.<BR/><BR/>I love that PA announcement. Simple, concise, and calming. Thanks for publishing that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com