tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post4579290408025867854..comments2024-03-24T05:42:24.847-05:00Comments on Taking Wing: The Way We Train TodaySam Weigelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-60717875264165595122019-04-13T05:27:30.305-05:002019-04-13T05:27:30.305-05:00Ascend Aviation Training Institute is dedicated to...Ascend Aviation Training Institute is dedicated to providing Quality Candidates to the Aviation Industry. List of Training programs include<br /><a href="http://ascendaviation.in/" rel="nofollow">Aviation Training in Chennai</a><br /><a href="http://ascendaviation.in/cabin-crew-training-in-chennai/" rel="nofollow">Cabin Crew Training In Chennai</a><br /><a href="http://ascendaviation.in/pilot-training-in-chennai/" rel="nofollow">Pilot Training In Chennai</a><br /><a href="http://ascendaviation.in/flight-dispatcher-training-in-chennai/" rel="nofollow">Flight Dispatcher Training In Chennai</a><br /><a href="http://ascendaviation.in/airport-ground-operations-training/" rel="nofollow">Aviation Academy in Chennai</a>Ascend Aviationhttp://ascendaviation.in/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-8048590592876191582014-06-19T09:37:45.758-05:002014-06-19T09:37:45.758-05:00I know that you commented in earlier posts about c...I know that you commented in earlier posts about commuting and how you have been able to avoid it. Is that still the case or is there a post about commuting waiting to be written.Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-55060516557614675642014-06-13T00:11:26.208-05:002014-06-13T00:11:26.208-05:00I'm a 135 guy rather than an airline person, b...I'm a 135 guy rather than an airline person, but I recognized many of the characteristics of your training experience as being similar to initial on the Gulfstream that I fly.<br /><br />For example, no memory items. None! Also, I came away surprised at how much they didn't require us to learn about aircraft systems. Oh, we knew how they worked, but the emphasis was definitely on practical knowledge rather than knowing the minutia for its own sake. I'm not sure if that's a testament to the evolution of the procedures and systems on that airplane, or just part of the trend you described in your post.<br /><br />I concur with Captain Jeff's comment: the pendulum swings the the decades pass. I hope we're headed toward a better balance.<br /><br />As far as the skill and capability of today's pilots versus those of the past, I think some of the stick-and-rudder stuff has definitely fallen by the wayside. How could it not? We don't have fly very much anymore -- at least not in the jets. GA provides plenty of opportunities to stay fresh, though, so I'm always glad to read of your adventures in the tailwheel airplanes. :) I enjoy a good dose of that medicine myself as often as I can.Ron Rapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11025275588683573445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-25195793480230522842014-06-11T16:07:56.389-05:002014-06-11T16:07:56.389-05:00Great post, Sam. Your perception/analysis of the e...Great post, Sam. Your perception/analysis of the evolution (devolution, actually) of training at the major Part 121 carriers is spot on. I must also add that this isn't something that has "just happened" in the last couple of years, somehow tied to the lower quality of new hires, the hiring/flow through process, etc, but has been happening for more than a decade.<br /><br />It can be argued that the training I received more than 25 years ago (know every nut and bolt, you're a molecule of air, etc.) was a bit extreme, but the present day "you don't need to know that... just follow the QRH" is extreme as well. I sense that the pendulum has started swinging back toward the center, and that training will be a fine balance between the two.<br /><br />Again, my hat is off to you for shining a light on this very important discussion.Captain Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00312413693669509001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-7149470112822647952014-06-04T23:28:09.730-05:002014-06-04T23:28:09.730-05:00The compass location is a good one. Also remember...<br />The compass location is a good one. Also remember seeing that some of the handles are the same as used on the DC-3. Don't know if the MD8X have them. <br /><br />Sam: better place to grab dinner post training: Malone's or Spondivits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-66017264323563646252014-06-03T04:44:50.710-05:002014-06-03T04:44:50.710-05:00On a lighter side, my favourite oddity on the MD-8...On a lighter side, my favourite oddity on the MD-8x has been the position of the standby compass. You'll have to mention that in one of your blog posts :)Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00156137358933497969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-72923237721649585832014-06-02T20:20:11.712-05:002014-06-02T20:20:11.712-05:00Anonymous 1-- I dunno if airline pilots were reall...Anonymous 1-- I dunno if airline pilots were really all that more impressive a few decades ago. I hear that in a lot of industries, not just aviation, and get the feeling that it's a byproduct of the human tendency for each generation to think the subsequent generation sucks & is taking the human race to hell in a handbasket. Airline pilots 30 years ago may have been impressive individuals, but they left a heck of a lot of smoking holes in the ground - often with perfectly good airplanes. I can't claim that pilots today are any smarter or better quality individuals. But I can say the overall system - including training, airborne technology, etc - certainly seems to be resulting in fewer accidents. If the aviation industry is recruiting and retaining less capable individuals - and you may be correct there, especially in certain sectors - they have thus far done a pretty good job of compensating for it, with some notorious exceptions. Sam Weigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-22095367058732219362014-06-02T20:04:27.532-05:002014-06-02T20:04:27.532-05:00Anonymous (2, I think?) wrote:
"Anonymous, d...Anonymous (2, I think?) wrote:<br /><br />"Anonymous, don't forget, the guy who posted this didn't even have to interview at [major airline] before they hired him. Of course they have to dumb down the program. They aren't actively hiring the best pilots. There are many [Newco] pilots who have failed training. It is a running joke at [major airline] how bad they are."<br /><br />I didn't delete your comment because you're being an asshole/troll on my blog, I deleted your comment because you used the name of my employer. If you wish to be an asshole/troll on my blog, by all means go ahead, just don't use identifying information. And feel free to not hide behind a screen of anonymity.<br /><br />I know of 2 pilots from the first 3 classes that have failed out, or are at least in the TRB stage. 2 out of 60 is on par with historical averages at [anonymous major airline]. And in any case, [anonymous major airline] weeding them out seems to contradict your argument that training is being dumbed down for the flows. I've been through a few 121 programs and I found the training rigorous and thorough regardless of flow status. I also didn't find myself being treated any different as a flow, regardless of your anonymous assertions of our notoriety. <br /><br />Anonymous 3 - don't disagree with you but you used the name of an airline owned by my employer. So... (sigh)...Sam Weigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06332414897030323612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-1992287998304971692014-06-02T16:00:05.333-05:002014-06-02T16:00:05.333-05:00Anon2: Thanks - I'm not sure I'll need luc...Anon2: Thanks - I'm not sure I'll need luck with flow through. It actually brings me pleasure to think about people like you getting irritated by flow throughs. See you in the cockpit, friend!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-4755213638975918682014-06-02T15:54:52.537-05:002014-06-02T15:54:52.537-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-12765329642623999792014-06-02T15:18:21.750-05:002014-06-02T15:18:21.750-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-839371679651103712014-06-02T14:44:47.645-05:002014-06-02T14:44:47.645-05:00Anon2: Really dude? You must be one of the trolls ...Anon2: Really dude? You must be one of the trolls on APC, probably some really bitter regional hobbit who had bad luck/timing, got furloughed a few times and now browbeats your FO's and anyone who has more success than you. You probably also think that Air Tran pilots don't deserve to be at SWA, and I bet you're one of those guys who belittles the pilots on APC who fly for G7. In other words, you're the chubby kid with the bad attitude and arrogance that anonymous 1 mentioned. Stop trying to mask your insecurity and anger by making others feel small. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-81065922404248190172014-06-02T14:34:15.710-05:002014-06-02T14:34:15.710-05:00Awesome, Sam! Looking forward to hearing your thou...Awesome, Sam! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on flying the mad dog in IOE.Tom B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-17763842687542163812014-06-02T14:20:10.746-05:002014-06-02T14:20:10.746-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10991135.post-34900570160893260942014-06-02T12:07:48.144-05:002014-06-02T12:07:48.144-05:00Good post, accurate assessment of how things have ...Good post, accurate assessment of how things have changed. The industry has to dumb-down the program to keep hiring cheap pilots, they aren't attracting engineers and doctors anymore with fast-food wages. A few decades ago I was consistently stunned at how impressive airline pilots really were, they were truly amazing to watch and train. Now I'm seeing chubby kids with bad attitudes, poor discipline and work ethic, and minimal proficiency, obviously passed by instructors who don't really have a choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com